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Post by polkadotfluff on Aug 31, 2010 23:52:08 GMT
Just thought there might be some new insights into their realtionship after Jedward: Let Loose. I think that John is alot more patient with Edward than I thought possible and Edward has been quite annoying during the documentary. What are your thoughts?
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Post by polkadotfluff on Aug 31, 2010 23:56:07 GMT
Didn't mean to offend Edward gals, just meant the way he was annoying John, water throwing and pillow throwing away, lol!
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Post by Taffy-Kat on Sept 1, 2010 6:59:56 GMT
think john gives as good as he gets, pizza and cake in the face
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Post by Floh on Sept 1, 2010 8:51:20 GMT
I think a lot of it is for the cameras. I believe they are both equally patient with one-another.
It interests me to watch their dynamics as far as possible when it isn't for the TV show.
I think they'd die without each other right now. I'm not entirely sure they could live apart, but who can say what's real or not? Is it possible one or both want to get as far apart as humanly could be at times? Is it possible one or both want to have their own identities and recognition?
They most certainly are very close although I have to wonder if one or both sometimes have a silent scream to get away from the madness?
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Post by firstblush on Sept 1, 2010 9:09:48 GMT
I think this is an interesting question about how the twins' relationship comes across, cos although it's something we talk about a lot in the fandom, Let Loose is going out to a much broader audience. Here's my thoughts: - a lot of the scenes are set up and they are acting and choosing their roles. Not all the time but most of the scenes in the flat imo that is what's going on ... - having Liam in the mix as a 'third character' changes their dynamic imo - usually they take it in turns to play straight man / funny man and thats one of the reasons they are so entertaining together cos they sometimes switch sides in flight . With Liam as straight man it makes their own role play a bit out of context. I think the decision to include Liam in this role isn't really working for the twins but there may have been a good reason for it ... - I got the impression that Edward is having to put a lot of effort into 'business as usual' at a time when his ligament injury is causing him pain and concern - his on camera persona is often based on being cute and cheeky and running around singing and making mischief - I think the brattiness is an extension of this with an element of extra annoyance cos he is injured and frustrated ... Edward is a performance artist who does it how he feels ...
all my opinion - but if the producers read this then .... please can we just let John and Edward Loose to do their thing ... (no offence to Liam who steps up to the plate with good humour)
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Post by Floh on Sept 1, 2010 9:20:37 GMT
Firstblush I think you have it in a nutshell — we've forgotten Edward is on painkillers and also dealing with the frustration of having a gammy leg.
I do also see that having Liam in the mix somewhat breaks their dynamics. All you've said makes perfect sense.
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Post by rivertam on Sept 1, 2010 9:40:30 GMT
Yeah, Liam is an extra wheel that's not working out as character.
I NEVER forget that Edward is dealing with a gammy leg. He's doing a good job of "business as usual" but it ain't. His leg hurts, his leg is holding back from who he normally is, his leg worries him. He's hiding it well.
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Post by Floh on Sept 1, 2010 10:08:02 GMT
Yeah, Liam is an extra wheel that's not working out as character. I NEVER forget that Edward is dealing with a gammy leg. He's doing a good job of "business as usual" but it ain't. His leg hurts, his leg is holding back from who he normally is, his leg worries him. He's hiding it well. I agree he's hiding it well. But I have to say we would have missed the deviousness that was him in the shopping cart being wheeled around by John if it wasn't for his gammy leg. Team-work!
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Post by polkadotfluff on Sept 1, 2010 17:07:13 GMT
Ya, firstblush, that is a good point! It could be his frustration at not being able to act normal!
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Post by ferdydurke on Sept 1, 2010 19:13:13 GMT
I think I saw Kola remark lately that Liam is there as 'planetearth' to their 'planetjedward'. I agree with that and I think it's necessary for him(or someone) to be there cause otherwise they are without context in a way. Also, it's part roleplaying for the camera and part roleplaying for real because absolutely everyone is acting to an extent in every relationship they have. People choose roles and play them. The boys already have a dynamic with each other that was in place long before they were famous. Perhaps John needs to feel like the responsible, in control one and Ed's behaviour is mirroring that inversely by acting clueless or needy around John. Personal dynamics are fabulously strange. It looks very uncomfortable in parts, like the dynamic we're seeing on screen is entirely unnatural. I'd say that's probably the case and we're pretty much as much in the dark about their relationship as we ever were.
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Post by fiendish on Sept 1, 2010 19:31:14 GMT
I think I saw Kola remark lately that Liam is there as 'planetearth' to their 'planetjedward'. I agree with that and I think it's necessary for him(or someone) to be there cause otherwise they are without context in a way. Also, it's part roleplaying for the camera and part roleplaying for real because absolutely everyone is acting to an extent in every relationship they have. People choose roles and play them. The boys already have a dynamic with each other that was in place long before they were famous. Perhaps John needs to feel like the responsible, in control one and Ed's behaviour is mirroring that inversely by acting clueless or needy around John. Personal dynamics are fabulously strange. Just to say, I think all of this is really insightful. It's very hard to draw a line between what we do when we're playing a role, and what we do when we're being ourselves, because there's always so much overlap. We're all different around different people, because on some subliminal level we choose to relate to people in different ways. And I think we all play up our personas even when we're not doing it for the cameras, so what's real and what's not isn't really the question. If they were on their own, we'd be seeing two very different people. It's possible John might be somewhat more socially conformative without Edward, since he sometimes appears slightly embarrassed in social situations So it's good that Edward's dependence and admiration gives John the security to be who he is. As for Edward, I don't think he would act quite as clueless and brattish outside John's company: it could be that he's doing that to express his need for John's help and guidance. It's obvious what John brings to the table in terms of their relationship, but I think Edward is responsible for a lot of John's self-confidence too. So it works. Kind of. I think.
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Post by jeddi on Sept 1, 2010 20:54:08 GMT
I agree with all that's been said before. Given that so much of the situations are staged, they do not really act normally as they would do without the cameras I think, they are definately playing up to them. The "house warming party" was filled by people answering an advertisment, so no wonder it seemed rather a strained atmosphere, John probably went outside to the fans as he knew them better than those in "their flat".
I do wish the editors would not go down the route of showing us what is going to happen, what happened after evey break, we could have at least 5 minutes of additional material. I'd rather see new scenes than this as the boys are tv gold and we are only being allowed to see such edited stuff that does not really let their true natures come through.
I have to add that JLL is the best hour of tv every week ..... 3 episodes per series just ain't enough.
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Post by polkadotfluff on Sept 1, 2010 22:14:36 GMT
Ya, I wonder what it would be like if it wasn't so staged.
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Post by munchkinsdonut on Sept 1, 2010 22:33:54 GMT
i think their relationship is an ideal one-
a love for brother or sister, a love of a man to a woman/ vice versa, a love for a friend their love, loyalty and trust to each other is what lacking to some and subsconsciously we all wanting it for ourselves - to have that kind of relationship, thats what fascinates me the most.
anyways, i dont think its stage - they are the most random people they cant follow script/instructions LOL but its the way it has been edited -i guess that makes the difference
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Post by penguin on Sept 2, 2010 13:18:28 GMT
i think their relationship is an ideal one- a love for brother or sister, a love of a man to a woman/ vice versa, a love for a friend their love, loyalty and trust to each other is what lacking to some and subsconsciously we all wanting it for ourselves - to have that kind of relationship, thats what fascinates me the most. anyways, i dont think its stage - they are the most random people they cant follow script/instructions LOL but its the way it has been edited -i guess that makes the difference yeah i agree. it so interesting to see how that relationship works and it just seems to be the best relationship ever And yeah i think a lot of it has to do with editing and stuff but...yeah its cool to see how they interact with eachother and sort of bounce off one anothers personailities really well.
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